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Non-musician son putting together recording studio for Dad: looking for criticism of plan
He's an electric guitarist and the intended user, but he's also not done recordings since analogue in the 80's and isn't the most technically confident, plus we're working on a fairly restricted budget (sub £250 ideally, absolutely no higher than £300). For normal play his guitar connects to a Boss GT-100 effects pedal, then into two combo-amps.
- For most work he's wants to do recording of himself playing guitar solo, but also have the option of duet with my sister who's interested
- He wants to be able to add drum effects and loop/overlay multiple recordings he's previously made, as well as pitch-shifting down some of what he plays in place of a bass for the moment
- He has some intention of getting a Korg M1 from a friend sometime in the future, meaning Midi inputs are a consideration
- The laptop he will use is not the particularly powerful (I'm planning to upgrade where possible): Windows 10 (version 2004), i5 6200U, 8gb RAM, 128gb SSD
- I may likely not be around when he receives everything, so he'll have to be able to set up everything either by himself, or with me talking to him over the phone.
The shopping list
- Audio interface: PreSonus Studio 24C, £101.00
- DAW: Studio One Artist, comes with the audio interface, £0.00
- Monitors: PreSonus Eris E3.5 (pair), £84.00
- Headphones: Either Sennheiser HD 598 with a 1/4" adaptor (these are his), or I will give him my Sennheiser HD 518's. If neither are suitable, we'd look around after, £0.00
- Microphone: Marantz Professional MPM-1000, £50.00
- Microphone alternative: if we can afford/money won't do better elsewhere, AKG P120, £75.00
- Microphone stand and pop-filter: The Marantz comes with a desktop stand that might be tolerable for very occasional use, so just a pop filter, £5.00
- Microphone stand and pop-filter alternative: Something from Amazon, total hopefully no more than ~£20.00
- XLR cable: Already have a spare cable, £0.00
Max spend total is £280.00
What I'm assuming
For the audio interfaces I ended up comparing the Focusrite 2i2 3rd Gen and PreSonus 24C, but at the moment I'm siding with the PreSonus because:
- The Midi ports in the PreSonus for his keyboard plans, though I don't know how serious he is about that
- From what I understand the software bundle included with the Focusrite (Pro Tools and other plugins) is supposed to be a very good deal, however I'm hoping the lower minimum required system spec for the Studio One Artist software bundled with the PreSonus could mean better performance on his old laptop
- The PreSonus is £30 cheaper and both have comparable specs from what I understand; when asked he doesn't think the Airmode is crucial to what he wants to do
- I have heard conflicting stories about downloading the drivers for the Focusrite and getting started. Like I said before, I won't be around in person to help him with technical issues except by phone
- I know he wants to include his effects pedal in the signal chain, and from what I've found he can do that, so I'm assuming the chain can go guitar -> pedal -> audio interface -> computeDAW without being too high latency for monitoring (although it might sound different?)
- The audio interfaces aren't especially picky about what DAWs are used, except where there's some other issue (like installing a Mac DAW on a Windows machine)
- What reviews I've read seem to market certain DAWs to certain music demographics, but I'm fairly confident that the Studio One Artist DAW is fine for what he needs - electric guitar & acoustic/microphone recording, can add a drum beat, track looping, pitchshift down for 'bass', room to grow - and from what I've seen there's a good number of beginner tutorials on Youtube for him to follow along with to get familiar; I've asked him to watch a few to see how he feels and he feels confident in being able to use it
What I've no clue about/Questions
- Pretty sure the laptop doesn't have enough storage and I won't be around long enough to clone everything to a new SSD and install it, so do any of you use an external drive (USB3.0, HDD or SSD) you write your recordings to? If so then have you noticed any issue if you install the DAW on the main drive, and store working files elsewhere?
- I know there are free DAW alternatives and some have a small(er) system footprint like Audacity or LMMS, but if we come to find out that the laptop just can't handle running Studio One then do you recommend anything else easy to run that hopefully might still be appropriate for someone not all too confident with computing?
- I doubt the Focusrite 2i2 became so well liked over its competition for no reason, so what about it have I not understood, and do you think it's a big enough reason to reconsider given everything else?
- What am I forgetting to look at?
And that's everything; thanks for reading. I hope this stupidly long post wasn't too much of a chore, and I'm sincerely grateful for any advice.
Edit: Please excuse me if I've not replied yet, but I'm heading to bed; it's been a busy evening and it's now the early morning. I'm genuinely thrilled by the responses, and couldn't be more grateful.
So far the main points I've taken from what's been said:
- The microphones I listed will unsuitable be unsuitable for mic'ing the speakers and I've been pointed at dynamic microphones instead, particularly the Shure SM57
- There shouldn't be an issue with installing the DAW on the main drive and storing working files on an external drive
- Other free DAW environments to consider include Reaper, Cakewalk, Tracktion, and others were listed. However, BedsitAudio's point of finding a DAW that doesn't require large amount of initial configuration is much more the objective: I'm prioritising how intuitive a workstation is and the in-built library, rather than how powerful or versatile it can be. In the end I'll ask my Dad to try the free trails/demos available or watch some videos of introductory tutorials for some of the possible options and see what he finds most comfortable.
- MIDI ports are more of a bonus than a significant selling point, though convenient if the keyboard plan goes ahead.
- The Focusrite is a good option and the compatibility issues on Windows might not be as significant as I'd first thought, but for the moment the PreSonus is still my main consideration due to the bundled DAW, lower price, and the (probably not very important) MIDI ports. This probably won't be settled until I can get him to sit down and try Pro Tools and Studio One, and I remain open to opinions on other audio interfaces if anything's been missed. Two inputs should be fine for everything he anticipates he might need and I agree; going for more just isn't possible at this budget.
Ableton for Mac upgrade nonsense
At the same time, Apple just released computers across 3 out of ~5 or 6 Mac product lines with a new chip whose impact on legacy software is unknown. Until I compare an Apple chip computer with my own plugins, other software, and latency experience on my own intel mac mini, I don't trust anything to work, except native software for the foreseeable future.
Below is my email exchange with Ableton support (pro-tip: if you reply to Ableton's "noreply" email address, you still get a response; /boringdystopia).
Request:In light of this, I hope to find some reason not to immediately just shift DAWs to Logic Pro, which would involve work.
Date:11.11.2020 20:59:37Message body:I see that you are asking for money for further software support.\Could you tell me the status of this fee-for-continued-patches upgrade'scompatibility with the Apple's new chipset for their "Mac" line of devices,the only line of their devices that you support at all?*Thanks,*
Live 11 was developed under high operational effort with consideration of our user's expectations to new features and content.
Upgrades to new versions of Live, such as 10 to 11, are paid upgrades and version updates, such as 10 to 10.1 are free.
Please note Live 10 will continue to be supported with maintenance updates free of charge and there is no need to upgrade to Live 11 right away.
Live 11 will run on Catalina. It is not yet officially compatible with macOS Big Sur but we are working on it.
You can refer to this article to track macOS compatibility, and we will update here once Big Sur is officially supported:MacOS Compatibility with Live
We suggest to use Live only with officially supported OS versions and do not recommend updating to Big Sur until all of your DAWs, third party plugins, and audio drivers are supported.
Thanks for your understanding and if there is anything else I can help with please let me know!
And then there's this: https://www.reddit.com/apple/comments/jwt5ns/m1_macbook_air_vs_intel_macbook_air_ultimate/gcs8zdv?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3:
Logic Pro: 94 tracks vs 8 tracksThat's on a fanless device, but who knows what the latency is.
I already have Logic Pro, so learning it now both future-proofs me and saves me over $200 CAD. But it involves a bunch of workflow adjustments. What are you going to do if you're on MacOS?
The educational price for the entire suite of Apple tools for movies, music, and a bunch of other stuff I don't know about is less than the price of the "20% discounted upgrade" to Suite 11, and the stand-alone non-educational price of Logic Pro X for the rest of us is less than the upgrade to Suite 11 from Suite 10, I think.
TL;DR: is Ableton upgrade price worth it if you're on Mac?